tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post2946696570977025129..comments2024-03-28T00:01:34.598-07:00Comments on The Galloping Beaver: CheckmateDavehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-12211843625374574632012-04-10T07:11:27.850-07:002012-04-10T07:11:27.850-07:00Are there certain blogs being removed from blogrol...Are there certain blogs being removed from blogrolls as well?Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-29436522665853074442012-04-10T04:59:19.216-07:002012-04-10T04:59:19.216-07:00I'm late to this party. But thank you for thro...I'm late to this party. But thank you for throwing it.<br /><br />The tipping-point for me happened yesterday. When Paladeia put up her patronizing little piece, one stuck to the top of the page and where comments were not allowed, I found myself over at Gritchik's place (by link). <br /><br />Tribe came over and averred that the whole matter was "trivial." The colossal Dr.Dawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416571487451925246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-31828498007062426362012-04-10T00:32:42.784-07:002012-04-10T00:32:42.784-07:00Dave, if that observation doesn't apply to you...Dave, if that observation doesn't apply to you, it wasn't intended for you. No offense intended, really. The people it applies to, know who they are.<br /><br />Scotian, this dispute, and the moderators reaction to it is based not solely on this latest complaint by Fern Hill and company, and that's why it's perplexing to those who don't know more of the history of PB. Saskboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13258259356749068135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-85093244145841286402012-04-10T00:06:17.775-07:002012-04-10T00:06:17.775-07:00Dave:
I'm with you, as I have been since the ...Dave:<br /><br />I'm with you, as I have been since the start of this. Whatever you decide I'm still sticking with you.<br /><br />Saskboy:<br /><br />Personally, I care nothing for you or anyone at ProgBlogs and it has nothing to do with my reactions to this matter. Also I've never been a member of any aggregator because I didn't want to have to worry about this sort of thing Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-58830819110145414382012-04-09T16:55:19.849-07:002012-04-09T16:55:19.849-07:00Willy, you've been on the blogroll for a long ...Willy, you've been on the blogroll for a long time. Not to worry, you're staying there. <br /><br />Pale, thanks. In truth, I don't care how it runs, what they do, nor even if they do nothing. (Which some would call action). <br /><br />Politics, meh. I haven't been affected by most of what happens and my year out of country inured me to a lot of it anyway. <br /><br />I just Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-63495896425069564112012-04-09T16:43:17.487-07:002012-04-09T16:43:17.487-07:00I think this whole thing has been blown out of pro...<i>I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion, somewhat maliciously, by people holding grudges against Scott (and even me) for years. They've convinced a lot of people that they have to quit Progressive Bloggers or else they can't be feminists, their friends, or be doing everything they can to stop Woodworth.</i><br /><br />Do NOT let that shark bite you. I bear no grudge Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-89746451297556909482012-04-09T16:04:39.252-07:002012-04-09T16:04:39.252-07:00Peladiea:
I'm not trying to dictate what it m...Peladiea:<br /><br />I'm not trying to dictate what it means to be progressive, nor am I suggesting anyone else is. Nor am I arguing that every transgression requires the full force of the administration, as you put it, or that you should be "policing" the views of bloggers. I'd respectfully submit, however, that there are bottom lines upon which we all agree, and one of those Solhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14595187571366476739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-49930674227449325422012-04-09T15:40:04.053-07:002012-04-09T15:40:04.053-07:00Hey Dave.
I think that the mods at PB do stick t...Hey Dave. <br /><br />I think that the mods at PB do stick together on things. They are all unfailingly fucking "reasonable". Those of us who have actual passion and ideals and who are willing to stand up for them and maybe SWEAR...OMG!!! are deemed as radicals. (Yes. I can locate where Tribe stated that many of us feminists are too radical for our own good. Male privlege is showing....Palehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06791499814706254231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-75871606196901309632012-04-09T15:31:04.557-07:002012-04-09T15:31:04.557-07:00"Perhaps progressives are the useful idiots t..."Perhaps progressives are the useful idiots that are a necessary pre-condition for the arrival of a fascist state. "<br /><br />Sounds just like the climate change denier that won't leave my blog.<br /><br />I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion, somewhat maliciously, by people holding grudges against Scott (and even me) for years. They've convinced a lot of Saskboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13258259356749068135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-44654239343702123172012-04-09T15:05:00.088-07:002012-04-09T15:05:00.088-07:00Perhaps "progressive" means nothing.
P...Perhaps "progressive" means nothing. <br /><br />Perhaps it's just a habitual catchall label used by wishy washy people who don't really know if they stand for anything but they do know for sure that they don't like what certain other people stand for.<br /><br />Perhaps what it really means is that progressives have no absolute real world positions. Everything is only Danahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465953801145126160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-67119664985040650192012-04-09T14:23:04.336-07:002012-04-09T14:23:04.336-07:00I rarely post but when I do 70% of the visits come...I rarely post but when I do 70% of the visits come from the Beaver. Add me to your Blog LIst before you go:)....<br /><br />Willy.WILLYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16507295892199741837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-85807610334856254372012-04-09T13:29:23.446-07:002012-04-09T13:29:23.446-07:00Sol,
What does it mean to be progressive? Who di...Sol, <br /><br />What does it mean to be progressive? Who dictates what and how progressiveness is defined? If someone steps out of line must the full force of the administration be used every time?<br /><br />I personally believe that no progressive should be against environmental protection as it threatens the very existence of humanity, and yet I would never consider anyone who said otherwise Paladieahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957955716697489071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-20104448876350183142012-04-09T10:16:23.880-07:002012-04-09T10:16:23.880-07:00An alternative would be to make the blog's nam...An alternative would be to make the blog's name more accurate, as in "Progressive if Necessary but Not Necessarily Progressive Bloggers."Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-80603464295853215132012-04-09T09:49:25.587-07:002012-04-09T09:49:25.587-07:00Peladiea, I don't believe anyone's asking ...Peladiea, I don't believe anyone's asking you or Scott for protection from offensive viewpoints. We're all adults here.<br /><br />I think you can, however, make it clear as a matter of first principle, that individual freedom, bodily autonomy and freedom of reproductive choice are a fundamental to any aggregator or organization purporting to represent itself as progressive. It's Solhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14595187571366476739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-76431589730750629602012-04-09T09:01:16.681-07:002012-04-09T09:01:16.681-07:00Paladiea, so be it.
There being no further point...Paladiea, so be it. <br /><br />There being no further point to this discussion I will lay out this single salient fact:<br /><br />Progressive Bloggers harbours those who would remove the rights of individuals. When presented this information, a group of 7 people did nothing. <br /><br />I will advise Scott, since the aggregator is clearly his toy, as to our disposition with respect to Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-70277240059053011602012-04-09T08:48:26.042-07:002012-04-09T08:48:26.042-07:00I wasn't aware that it was the job of the mode...I wasn't aware that it was the job of the moderators to protect people from views they find offensive. If that is the case then I demand a wage as that is full time work.<br /><br />How exactly would we tell them they stepped over the line? Should we do that every time a blogger says something potentially offensive? I shudder to think of doing that with the Israel/Palestine debate, but Paladieahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957955716697489071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-83050706842488314882012-04-09T08:48:10.706-07:002012-04-09T08:48:10.706-07:00My tuppence: Rights are zero-sum. If they're q...My tuppence: Rights are zero-sum. If they're quantifiable, they're privileges and not rights. You don't have 90% or 30% of a right to something. Men are not "shareholders" in their female partner's reproductive biology; they are shareholders in her well-being and health, even if they don't like what that means for them: It's not their bodies. What they have doneBorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952672409601421466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-32651695168147798172012-04-09T08:15:24.210-07:002012-04-09T08:15:24.210-07:00Paladiea, you let your own troops get shot at with...Paladiea, you let your own troops get shot at without providing cover. Not a good tactic. <br /><br />I don't think there was a need to boot them on the grounds of one instance. However, they should have heard from the moderators that they had stepped over the line. Immediately. We would all have had the advantage of increased vigilance. <br /><br />So, no. We do not completely agree. As to Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-51708490078109749422012-04-09T07:57:05.805-07:002012-04-09T07:57:05.805-07:00Dave, great we completely agree. However what we d...Dave, great we completely agree. However what we disagree on is tactics. Do you think that it would be productive to not correct someone taking that position and instead boot them out of the aggregate? Wouldn't that just entrench their views? Why not just continue to do what we're doing now and call them out on their behaviour?Paladieahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957955716697489071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-70512762189561963872012-04-09T07:49:33.941-07:002012-04-09T07:49:33.941-07:00Paladiea, those two are buying into the Woodworth ...Paladiea, those two are buying into the Woodworth meme that a debate is just harmless discussion. <br /><br />If it was about when to plant broccoli it would be meaningless. <br /><br />It's not meaningless though. It's about the rights of people. <br /><br />If they were doing it from the other side of the fence I could take any number of actions to defend against it. <br /><br />When Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-65876633417879758192012-04-09T07:46:47.017-07:002012-04-09T07:46:47.017-07:00Scott forgets one very simple thing: he does not p...Scott forgets one very simple thing: he does not possess a uterus. <br /><br />The consideration of abortion is for those who possess such an organ. <br /><br />EVERYBODY else is irrelevant. THAT has been settled, and thus the abortion "issue" is settled, except in Scott's mind. Stupid git.Edstockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03295069754219954783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-40926761430581270962012-04-09T07:38:07.597-07:002012-04-09T07:38:07.597-07:00I've watched this fairly close from the sideli...I've watched this fairly close from the sidelines and can't help but wonder how "we" collectively, can get over this kind of in-fighting. We're a reflection of the reality that the left cannot get its act together in the way that the right has; we have absolutely no hope of defeating the neocons. We don't. We're stuck with harper for at least another couple of bcwaterboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00506402752799423770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-55063387013364320792012-04-09T07:20:35.823-07:002012-04-09T07:20:35.823-07:00Fern Hill - You didn't cause the grief. As for...Fern Hill - You didn't cause the grief. As for Kinsella, ignore him. He can't sue you for that.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03203592149876300192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-27773008811047381142012-04-09T07:19:58.625-07:002012-04-09T07:19:58.625-07:00The line is the difference between a point and a t...The line is the difference between a point and a trend. People do mess up occasionally. I know many non-bigoted people that have said some racist/homophobic crap and I have called them on it. What I didn't do was tell them they were no good racists/homophobes and refused to talk to them ever again. Gordie Canuck even says in his post he's pro-choice (except for late-term, which is stupid Paladieahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957955716697489071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18665728.post-52534655331485861392012-04-09T07:18:30.318-07:002012-04-09T07:18:30.318-07:00Tells you all you need to know, doesn't it.
...Tells you all you need to know, doesn't it. <br /><br />People who call themselves 'progressive' are prepared, under the guise of being 'reasonable' and 'accommodating,' to allow the question to be re-opened. So after decades of blood, struggle, legal and physical shitstorms were spent to establish that reproductive freedom isn't negotiable, these folks are saying Orwell's Bastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17777852618134159328noreply@blogger.com